CarwilBJ’s avatarCarwilBJ’s Twitter Archive—№ 32,897

  1. Watching the #visabanforrussians proposal as a US citizen who visited the EU in 2003, 2005 while my country was bombing an occupying a sovereign country. @bctallis/1564020483300941824
    1. …in reply to @CarwilBJ
      Arguably American tourists were far more culpable for dismantling of the Iraqi state, the bombing of Fallujah, and the mass torture of Iraqi prisoners than their Russian counterparts are now.
      1. …in reply to @CarwilBJ
        We had way more freedom of action, space to protest, and meaningful elections (even if, admittedly both political parties endorsed the war until 2006). We bear meaningful collective accountability for the war crimes committed in our name.
        1. …in reply to @CarwilBJ
          But I can't imagine a visa ban for Americans significantly ramping up pressure against the war on Iraq.
          1. …in reply to @CarwilBJ
            And European complicity is a real phenomenon in both cases, though far greater in the Iraqi case.
            1. …in reply to @CarwilBJ
              Disappointed tourists pressuring their government are orders of magnitude less effective than, say, stopping bombers and refueling at Ramstein {in the case of Iraq) or stopping spending Euros on Russian gas (in the case of Ukraine).
              1. …in reply to @CarwilBJ
                Personally, my 2003 trip was a moment to build deep ties with antiwar Europeans that I would have never met had a visa ban been out in place. Meanwhile other Americans partied while Baghdad burned.
                1. …in reply to @CarwilBJ
                  However wrong the latter may seem, Europeans live in the glassiest of glass houses on this front. Your weapons go everywhere, fueling wars worldwide, just like those of Americans.
                  1. …in reply to @CarwilBJ
                    Heck a good portion of you partied while your national armies co-invaded and occupied Iraq.
                    1. …in reply to @CarwilBJ
                      I'd love to see some self-reflective divestment from war, surveillance, and banking for klepticrats in lieu of blanket prohibitions on ordinary citizens.